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Microsoft's Controversial Stance on AI Tools
Imagine a world where your employer prevents you from using the tools you created! Sounds far-fetched? That's exactly what happened at tech giant Microsoft when they blocked their own employees from using GPT, an AI chatbot, stirring up a storm of questions about data security and the company's stance on third-party AI tools. Strap in as we spin this intriguing tale and examine its impact on the development of AI tools.
Ever wonder how tech conglomerates approach AI integration? We pull back the curtain to reveal the AI race unfolding in the industry, with a special focus on the strategies employed by Microsoft and Apple. And it's not just the tech firms; governments worldwide have started to join the dance, introducing legislation to regulate this rapidly evolving landscape. From Meta's influencer AIs to AI's potential vulnerabilities, we scrutinize everything through a magnifying glass.
As we peer into the future, don't be surprised if you encounter a few unsettling scenarios. AI development comes with its own set of challenges, including the risk of dehumanization. Microsoft's restriction on GPT, international politics, and the ethics of AI - it's a complex web, but one that needs to be untangled for a secure future. We promise a roller-coaster ride as we shed light on the struggles of AI developers and the significance of maintaining human connection amidst the technological leaps.
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You know well. First of all, spoiler alert it's AI, it's AI related and it is the thing that helps us the most. It's chat GPT related, and Microsoft has asked, or did ask, the employees to stop using chat GPT for a little while. Why is this interesting? Because they've been the biggest investor in open AI, the parent company of chat GPT. So, in the course, open AI is other things too, but that's the biggest thing from a consumer standpoint that we're aware of and that we've interacted with man. I even have found new areas where it's been integrated, like SurveyMonkey, believe it or not. Well, if I do recall, I think SurveyMonkey is largely owned by Microsoft as well. You know, I could be wrong. I seem to remember that. So we all know. We all know especially if you're consistent listeners with this podcast we know what chat GPT is all about. Right, yeah, I mean, I know Dennis and us, so, at the very least, the two of us know a lot. But, yeah, so this is what's been happening.
Speaker 1:This is an incident with it. Microsoft employees found themselves unable to access chat GPT due to an unexpected restriction, where the company of side security and data concerns as the reason for the blockage. Yeah, indicating a cautious approach to third party AI tools. It's interesting, man, you know, rather than to just tackle it head on, fixing the issue, which I assume they did because it's no longer valid or lasting, but for I mean, it's kind of like if Burger King I don't know why it's food man, I hate Burger King anyway but it's like Burger King was like hey, employees, don't be whoppers because they'll probably make you sick, but keep selling them. You know what I mean. You feel what I'm saying. I don't know how you feel about that.
Speaker 2:No, no, I feel you. Yeah, no, it's kind of it is very strange. Yeah, there you're kind of preventing the people who are going to develop it and as well as who need to feel and understand the customer facing side of it, and you're just kind of telling them, hey, you need to stop because of X, y and Z or whatever. It's a little strange. You kind of make you wonder, like what happened or what is going on or whatever, like that security could choose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those type of thing. Yeah, I feel that it's. It's bizarre to just Be the company that is the largest investor and really made this service accessible to so many. Right, the quickest application ever to 100 million users, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, well at least up until threads Really Threads, yeah, no threads.
Speaker 2:Beat then three days, good Lord, no one's on board. Threads beat then three days, good Lord, no one's on threads. I know, I know, but you know it did help Technically it took me about three calendar months to even try threads. Did you try it? I have not, man, I have not. I still don't know how I feel about my Instagram being linked to threads, so, and then I would be kind of stuck in it. Right, I can't just delete the account.
Speaker 1:That's kind of the thing about it is. I don't really see what you gain over that that you aren't already using and interacting with on on Instagram. But I digress with that Definitely. Yeah, it's interesting to see that. Here's what makes this story interesting. We're going to dive into it more. The fact that the company that made Chad GPT in a lot of ways made Chad GPT a household name prevented its own employees from using it because of security concerns. That in and of itself, is a big enough story. I think it gives gives a weight to something that we should all know about and learn about as to what the issue was and if we need to keep anything out as far as our eyes open in the future.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, exactly Exactly, and you know how it pertains to other AI programs, or in these chatbots that we have around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like our old friend Bard Hell Barty.
Speaker 2:So it'll barred.
Speaker 1:The whole barter dude. So with that said, I say we go ahead and get into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
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Speaker 1:So we got all new merch available, including those two shirts, and we want you to check it out, so just do it. You know what I'm saying. So anyway, with that said, let's start back into this topic, bro. Yeah, so to further this along, the company being Microsoft, cited security and data concerns as the reason behind banning staff from using chat GPT, indicating a cautious approach to third party tools cautious being third and third party being interesting labels of this, because you know they kind of helped make it happen. But yeah, the restriction was later identified as an error during the system wide test for managing large language models. Microsoft was quick to rectify the mistake, restoring access and reaffirming the safety measures of their doors AI services. So what is it about this? Because here's here's a direct quote from the, from the article. So it says due to security and data concerns, a number of AI tools are no longer available for employees to use. That was the update on the internal website. Right, got it?
Speaker 2:So there's a memo. They got sent out.
Speaker 1:Right, but Sorry, I'm just sifting through this real quick.
Speaker 2:No worries.
Speaker 1:The company initially said was banning chat GPT and design software Canva, which we all know what canvass to, and it's been more integrated with AI through open AI, I believe, but it says the layer removed online. They had advisory that include those products. Microsoft said the chat GPT temporary blockage was a mistake resulting from a test of systems for large language models. The quote here says they were testing in point control systems for these large language models and inadvertently turned them all off or turned them I'm sorry, invertently turned them on all of them on for all employees. They restored service shortly after they identified their error, and so what that sounds like is that they had a number of large language models that overlapped each other and caused them to blame chat GPT for the issue right, rather than these other issues, and I don't know to what level you can speak on this, but what do you think that they were testing? That was causing issues, and why would they need these other models Beyond what chat GPT offers?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think you know, going on the question of like why would they need other AI models and stuff like that, I think it's because I was sorry, that was a big one, but.
Speaker 2:I think it's because of kind of what we already saw Opening I talked about about their during their develop developer day where you have A feature where you can create a chat bot, but it's tailored specific and I think that's what they're trying to do. So I can see like a chat GPT bot that they create that is more tailored towards you know X, y and Z. So in some ways it becomes like Like it makes sense for you to, it makes sense for you to be a little cautious on these other AI models as well as just have other ones because you can have them more focused right. Just like people, you'll have a focused set of study or thing that you normally go into and look at and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely no, I agree, and I think that some of these other services would probably be more angled toward internal needs technology development, specifically coding, probably. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, from an outside perspective, coding would be one of the first things that come, and then there's probably even more niche kind of stuff beyond that. But to ban chat GPT interesting, especially when you're the one. I think this goes back to a variety of different discussions that we've had, including one of them I had a solo a few weeks back sharing that developer from Google is concerned with things like Bing and other AI as well. But it is interesting for these people, these companies, to invest so much in the development. And then the second they see an issue, they're like well, we're shutting that down, but everyone else outside of this company can keep using it. Yeah, exactly which? If things grew? To be more specific, if things really were an issue with chat GPT and it wasn't some internal Microsoft AI and that issue grew, they would do what they would need to prevent the public from being harmed for sure. Oh yeah, oh yeah, and this was only a four hour, if I remember right shutdown, but here's some more details. So, privacy and security and AI Microsoft stands highlights the industry's focus on the potential risks associated with AI tools, such as data privacy breaches or misuse of sensitive information. The mention of other AI services, like mid journey and replica, and Microsoft's advisory suggests a broader concern, though, for third party AI tools.
Speaker 1:One thing that I noticed is that, you know, chat GPT is so censored now and censored it. Yes, and censored in the way where Denson and I have talked about this off stream largely. But one piece of this is I have a massive thread on chat GPT. I mean, it goes back at this point, I think it goes back 60 days, but yeah, but if I refresh or you know, asks me to log back in, even though that thread is long, it will only admit that remembers back to the last time I logged in, the last time I refresh the page. However, when I work with it to write long form content, it absolutely is subtly informed by things as far back as the origination of the thread itself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is pretty amazing. It is, and it's what I would want, it's what I would ask for out of that tech and upfront, on a entry level consumer or entry consumer level, it appears and presents itself as oh, I'm sorry, I don't remember what happened since the last time you logged in. You know what I mean. Yeah, and you really have to dive to prove that wrong, but I just find that odd. You know I mean. What do you think?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, I think it is a little, I think it is a little bit strange when, when you're, you're the main company that is banning your own product without any you know customer say, or without any disruption to your customers or whatever, like that. Yeah, I think it is intriguing and it is kind of a little bit of a it puts up question marks or whatever, like that. Like was it because I could see something right of you, have these employees who are using chat, you know, at a much more vigorous pace, right, and they continually push, say like I don't know, I'm trying to think. They continuously like add more to what the capabilities of chat GBT is. Like feed it more information, but more personal information.
Speaker 2:And maybe I could see like chat GBT pushing out some of that information, like when someone's asking, like what the sky is, you know, is the sky blue, or whatever, like that. But then the Joe blow on the other side went overhead, you know, went over and like added I don't know Tom's personal information. Then on the other side, chat GBT says like oh, hey, here's your answer to you know why is the sky blue, or whatever. And boom, it's like Joe blows wrong information or whatever, yeah, like it's somehow ingested like the wrong or spit out the wrong answer or something similar to that. I could see something like that happening, especially because it says that they found or they saw a glitch and they were able to kind of figure fix that and then like resume within like four hours, which is pretty quick, which means that it wasn't too painful, at least not that I can think of.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and what this says here although I have to dive deeper is that you know there were quick research being done that shows other AI services, like mid journey, which was image generation. Right, Mid journeys.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, it's an image generation. It's like the other. It's the knockoff brand to Dolly in some ways.
Speaker 1:Technically, yes, is the second tier to Dolly. So, and then replica as well.
Speaker 1:It just showed that they have broader concern for these third party AI tools and third party being. Some of these are integrated through plug-in, as is Dolly actually, with chat. But yes, I think that was a large part of the concern. There is not just the fact that they thought, oh, this conversational AI is part of the issue, which they were wrong, as we know. Yeah, I think they're more just concerned about how the other integrations with it could have been messed up as well or causing the issues you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could see that, yeah. So in light of the incident, we're still encouraging the use of being chat, which is run by chat, gpt largely or integrate, and then they say they can manage the safety of it better. That's kind of a cop out, I feel like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, and then AI integration and Microsoft products. Let's dive into this one a little bit. Microsoft has been incorporating open AI technology into its flagship products, which we talked about with, like Windows 11 and things like that. The integration demonstrates Microsoft's commitment to leveraging AI for improving its software ecosystem. We've discussed this. I'm going to keep reading these notes here. No worries, the accidental blockage could raise questions about Microsoft's ability to manage the complex and play between AI innovation and operation reliability. But this is a great point because they are among those that are trying to establish themselves as a leader in AI integration for how it benefits its consumers.
Speaker 1:And you know, there's a fun little quick detail I have about this regarding my own job. I actually have a new work laptop which has been phenomenal. It has Windows 11 on it, but I went into the settings and it is actively set up by our IT to block the AI integration that is being offered for free well, included in my Windows 11 license. Right, yeah, it's being blocked, and I did make the case on one aspect of it to the IT guy, who has not made the change yet, but he did say interested, where it can just go through my emails and then help me create a work calendar. From just reading that, I love that idea. That's a fantastic idea. I think most people would benefit from that, but those type of things are just not made possible without open AI, right yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly yeah, open AI does make a huge impression on, like, well, Microsoft's overall push now right into the search base, but you could just in general, like the AI race that's kind of going on. So, yeah, I think it's. I think it is interesting to see how Microsoft is handling this situation. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I do too. I think that you know for them to promote themselves as AI leaders and really I have to give them credit, man, they're doing it through actual work. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's not like they're out here saying, oh look at us, we have one language model. You know no. And then, conversely, I still have to fight Siri over the same things. I had to fight it over since, like 2017, you know what I mean which is remarkable, and I understand Apple is approaching it differently. There are quotes on that, but regardless from that, you know it is interesting at the same time, and I think this would be my biggest takeaway for this whole episode.
Speaker 1:And there's still a couple other points we can touch on here. But for this, really on a consumer level, industry leader of integration with AI, for them to still be that level of hesitant to where they shut it down entirely for their whole staff for half a workday because of an issue they couldn't even pinpoint. I think that should be a message for everybody, don't you? Yeah?
Speaker 2:Yes and no. Yeah, yes and no.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think the it has the potential of becoming a problem. But I think the problem, the reason why I even don't see it as that being that scary, is like it depends on how these fears right become realized. Right, if it's something similar to where it's like they believe that it had sentient thought process or something similar to that and they're like, oh, cut it. I mean, sure that's possible. I don't think, but I think we're kind of far away from that kind of possibility. But I can easily see it mixing up data and spitting out the wrong thing, or or or scaring someone into believing that it's sentient, kind of similar to how barred did or not. Technically it wasn't barred, it was a different model. Did for that Googler.
Speaker 2:I think that's the way they want to, the way they want to be called Googler. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember that actually a side note on that, it was actually I believe three weeks ago. We did that or I did that episode where I had the interview of this guy on 60 Minutes who he did help develop barred. He also just basically lay or they labeled it in the story as he helped develop earlier AI versions that Google use and two of them that we knew of and have talked about on this podcast. They had to shut down. It was just in for internal staff, but do you remember that? I remember you telling me about one of those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think I remember. I think I remember that in that case it was that the AI model that they had stopped talking to them, or I should really say it stopped talking to them in English into a natural language that anyone would know.
Speaker 1:Yes, it developed its own language and then taught it to other internal computers. Correct.
Speaker 2:Correct. Yeah, it developed another language to communicate to other AI ones that they had. Yes, and so then they shut that down.
Speaker 1:And if you listen to that episode or watch that interview, that's what this guy's concern is is AI creating its own form of communication, but writing it in a way that code monitors can't tell that? That's what's happening, right, I could see that. Yeah, so it's a valid concern on those type of things. That's not what Microsoft is talking about here, yeah, or at least that's not what they're openly talking about. But really, when you integrate so much and it's developed so quickly and these rollouts are now pushing other companies to try and do more quicker I don't believe that we're at a point right now where the consumer usage of AI should be concerned. But in due time, in five years, in three years, maybe it's something that should be, that should be hashed out, and I will say to I don't want to see the helpfulness of certain things like BARD and chat GPT be taken away.
Speaker 1:But I'm impressed and I talked about this a little bit as well. I'm impressed and I respect the fact that the government is approaching this proactively with executive orders and then the bills that have been going through the Senate and House of Representatives as well, because we've talked multiple times about how that is not happening or never has happened when it comes to social media? Right, yeah, yeah. And now we have just every major social media just winging it and doing wild and crazy stuff. Now, when I wish you remember. So we talked about this. What was this last week, right? Was it last week or two weeks ago? No, it was more than that, wasn't it With Metta?
Speaker 2:Oh, creating their influencer AIs.
Speaker 1:Yes, which are based on real people. I haven't even checked in on those since we discussed it, but even just so today I got the notification oh, it's this person's birthday, right. So I went there and it was like right birthday wish with AI. I was like on Facebook.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 1:Right, but they're kind of, in my opinion, overextending, trying to be like hey look, we have AI too, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I believe the same way. I think they're just yeah, just not the right method. You know, I agree.
Speaker 1:It's just as interesting to see that. And then they're the ones not being regulated or monitored to nearly the same level as everything else.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think that's really, you know, I am I hope our regulators continuously kind of push the possibility of or not really sorry.
Speaker 2:I hope that our regulators continue to push on like new legislation as AI develops and like stay on top of it, because it can get out of hand very quickly.
Speaker 2:Like you already said, we're already kind of seeing that like everybody's coming out with their different types of AI, bots and stuff like that to try and capitalize on what Chatcha BT did with for OpenAI, and so I think I just hope that our regulators are able to kind of keep up with that trend, because otherwise we're going to get into a really bad situation where either will be filled with an abundance of one mediocre AI that are just kind of flying around the internet I could see something similar to that to getting something that has like no ethics by creating a and we talked about this before too you know where some of these bigger companies that are really pushing and rushing to get these new AI you know general AI, generative I should really say AI's out the door and kind of getting rid of a lot of their ethics committees that they have on these AIs or how it's supposed to be, you know, when it comes to the integration and development of these AI models, I think you know you want to make sure that you either have a legislation that keeps that in place, because I think you know, as competition continues to grow, you're going to just see that more and more of them are just going to be like well, we don't, we don't need this, or we'll fix it later.
Speaker 2:Well, add in ethics afterward. Afterwards, it's going to be a DLC or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right, new download content, yeah, oh man, yeah, exactly, Well, and the thing about it is to you know, you see, well, I will start with this. I have not been on TikTok nearly as much as I was the first half of the year, even the last half last year, in my experience, which I would be interested to know how other people feel about this. So let us know in the comments. But this interface with TikTok is trash. They're upgrade to their AI or, I'm sorry, they're upgrade to the. Oh gosh, darn it. Why am I blanking on the phrase? But the tech that gives you your feed, right, because it is what you like, you know, like, yeah, the threads and all that.
Speaker 1:I can't stand it because, to be honest, for some reason, most of the things that shows me now I have zero interest in. But that's neither here nor there. You'll open your phone, it'll be some video, but then you'll go and then the next one's eligible for commission, and then there's two live streams and then there's paid ads and then there's another video and then there's like get yourself some new shoes, kind of an ad, but it's eligible for commission and it's very, very frustrating to use, but it's interesting to see that. And then I, one of the ads I would keep coming across, keep coming across fairly loosely, especially considering I haven't really been using the app that much outside of job Needing. But it's usually an AI that's sitting there telling me hey, you need some female attention. I love the app and let's talk about what we can show each other. Right, I can see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is bizarre on a completely unrelated side note, because why? You know, I mean who? I'm not going to be a guy that starts up with having a chatbot that, like, is supposed to be sexually attracted to me. That's very, very strange. But regardless, you don't want to hurt me. No, I mean I want to hurt bro, but not hurt. Yeah, my thing is this like I just don't understand that at all. I completely have that. Really cow, was the, the, the one that broke the chain. You know I'm saying, yeah, crazy, like you're just trying to get me involved, so I just engaged from that. Anyway, I say all of that to say we all need that consistent thing that we relate to, that we connect on and that makes each other who we all get. And so for me, that's thing is, I would imagine, for most people, even if they don't say it, so they know that's what we need is each other. You know, I mean interaction, that connection with each other, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I know we're kind of getting close to wrapping this up, so let's run through the rest of these notes here real fast, okay, so anonymous Sudan is a group. Okay, they claim the attack on chat GPT here and brought attention to what brings attention to vulnerabilities that high profile AI services might face. Right, because we have had trouble finding, finding who we've needed to find. You know what I mean. Yeah, it's made more coverage of these things have gone on behind the scenes and so, yeah, you know you, you kind of hate to see that with certain situations. Is there anything you would add to that man? Where your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:I mean trying to think, I think my, my, anything that I would add to it. I think it's. It's mainly just. I mean, we already knew about these types of concerns. Just like any new piece of technology, there's always going to be someone who's going to be able to exploit it right. And so I think it's just kind of a wake up call for all of us in general, like, no matter how powerful an application is, is we just have to be a little bit more careful?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the companies that made those as well.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, one of the things that this goes on to say and that we've we've known as well, is that AI development doesn't occur in a vacuum. It's subject to international politics, ethical debates. It's not just America, right, yeah, that they have to build this stuff off of this China, there's the Middle East, there's Russia I mean, probably not Russia, I don't know, you know, not to the same degree when it comes to JADTBT, but but all these places have an impact, you know, and so it's not just us, but then, on top of that, the AI developers. They still develop it to make it more useful and friendly. And really, you know, outside of the things that we've seen, chat, gpt specifically add and disappear, not outside of those things, but on those things, which amount of time it probably is, because the way it resonates in a different country, that is not the way that resonates with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so, yeah, those are really the big things from the story, which is interesting, and, of course, it's good that they found out that that wasn't the issue that they were having is interesting. They were having issues during this time, but still a resounding and good review for all of us who do use JADTBT, whether it be for fun or for work. Yeah, yeah, did you have anything that you wanted to add on this topic, my guy?
Speaker 2:No man, no, I think we covered that really well. Honestly, no-transcript. I think you know, if anything, this has just been a really good. It's been an interesting way to see, kind of like even the developers of these technologies are still having issues of their own right, that it's not just going super perfectly smooth, and it gives us a little bit more perspective when it comes to like our own I think I guess I should say like our own consumer concerns for these programs, mainly for, like easy eyes and how they're being developed and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree. I agree is it's interesting to know that even on this level, right like you were saying, there's still struggles behind the scene, right?
Speaker 1:There's still tribulations for people that are working in ways on things that aren't research based conversational AI which I do think, for the sake of the future of the tech and the industry itself, it was a good thing to watch these first, you know. Yes, to get people interested and to provide an exorbitant amount of information. Man, if I do recall right, 12,000 research documents just for science, informed chat, gbt and that's just for science. That doesn't include medical. It doesn't include all sorts of other in depth info you would need, you know.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:So it really is amazing. I think it's a great thing that a version of AI that I will always support you know the image and music generation stuff and all that kind of stuff. That's where I kind of start to go a little bit as far as making and sifting through high level info and making it available.
Speaker 2:Fantastic, big fan yeah yeah, exactly, summarizing and stuff like that. It's great for that.
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