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Reviving Beatles and Redesigning Judiciary: The Impact of Artificial Intelligence
What if we told you that your favorite Beatles melody could be revived by Artificial Intelligence? That's right! In this stimulating discussion, we delve into the fascinating world of AI, its implications, and how it impacts various facets of life. From President Biden's executive order on AI safety to the use of AI in creating a brand-new Beatles song, we've got an intriguing blend of tech talk and music chatter that you wouldn't want to miss.
We don't stop at the intersection of AI and music; we also explore its potential in redesigning the judiciary system and the necessary safeguards against bias. With the advent of AI in forensic analysis, crime forecasting, and predictive policing, the conversation takes an interesting turn. We also discuss the commitments of 15 leading companies to promote safe AI development. We promise, you're in for an insightful discussion!
Finally, we examine the repercussions of the executive order and its influence on the legal sector and workforce. Could AI be the affordable court-appointed attorney of the future? What measures do we need to protect the workforce in this AI-driven world? We also contemplate the international implications and the necessity for a global consensus on AI safety and security. Wrapping up, we steer the conversation back to music, discussing the Beatles' new song and the potential of AI in creating meaningful art. So, are you ready to join us on this exciting journey through the universe of AI?
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Speaker 1:Yeah, number one Continuing with our focus on AI and the difference that that makes in our world already Something that this mostly may mark a year of consistent conversation about AI. Yeah, it was not too low. Yeah, I mean it was not too long after this, if not this exact time when chat GBT came out a year ago. Just kind of wow. But you know we've we've wanted to focus on it because two reasons we're very interested in it and then two I know for me this has been a huge benefit. We hope for you as well. Gain this information syndicated and broken down, rather than hearing the horror stories you hear on the news or the concerns of, you know, people who don't understand this type of technology. It's really been beneficial for us. We hope it's beneficial for you as well.
Speaker 1:And what that said, the president did something I I know Denson wasn't here for this one, but we shared a former Google developers concerns about the growth of AI, not again, again, not necessarily like barred or a chat GBT type of thing, but more foundational type of AI that could run an entire organization. His main concern, I remember him saying, is that could build neural pathways as it learns through different inputs. That would prevent other people from prevent even the developers from knowing what its new thought processes were or being able to manage it or shut it down. And so these are genuine concerns, absolutely, and I think that they're fair to have, especially when you hear developers being the ones that are concerned. Exactly, yes.
Speaker 1:And so this is really a follow up to that President Biden issuing an executive order to protect the government from AI. You love to hear it, but also you would love to hear protect the public. Yeah, exactly, that'd be great, but yeah, so we're going to break that down what that means, what that looks like, those protections and such and so forth. And then number two, these guys right here. Can we shift it? Come on there, we go Almost a little bit.
Speaker 2:Those guys right there, the Beatles maybe you've heard of them.
Speaker 1:They released a new song today and I like it a lot. I really do. And on top of that is something they started to work on the 90s, but they couldn't finish because of how they were able to get the money, and they couldn't finish because of how the demo they received from something John Lennon had written before he was killed Was mixed together. Well, ai has actually helped separate those two audio inputs, if you will, which was really just one piano and vocal, into one mic, and has helped separate them into two different audio channels, which is mind blowing. So we're going to talk about that a whole lot more man, so let's go ahead and get into it. What's going on? Everybody, I'm John and I'm Denison. This is the catch up. All right, before we get into our topic, I want to remind you guys the three that's right, there's three of them Best ways to support this show. Number one you could have made three out of that, to be honest. Number one leave us a review. Wherever you're listening, wherever you're watching, if you're on YouTube, if you're on Facebook, if you're on Apple podcasts or Spotify, there's a way to leave a review. It helps us out, no matter what. It helps us know what we're doing well. It helps us know what we can prove on, but also tells the algorithm to put us in front of more people, and that really helps as well. What is up, darian notification gang. Good to see you, man. Number two the second best way to support it oh, there you go. See, there you go. Let's go to right there.
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Speaker 1:So please check it out. Yeah, so, with that said, let's go ahead and jump into our topic here Again. So I'll actually start this off by asking you in a question, so not having the details laid out yet, which I will but for Joe Biden to issue an executive order to protect from possible AI risks, what would you say? You would hope to see those protections include?
Speaker 3:I think one of the biggest things would be deep bakes, right, I think.
Speaker 3:I think that's probably one of the biggest things that needs to be out there to protect not just the government but also, you know, the United States citizens, because, as AI gets more and more advanced and is, like you kind of already talked about or hinted about, one of the topics that we're going to talk about, you know, it's able to do amazing things that you know us, as people probably weren't aren't able to do, where we're taking the same amount of time to do deep fakes as one of those right to be able to be able to create not just video doubles but audio doubles of someone and then having them be able to do like you know, say, or do like crazy things is incredibly concerning, especially when it comes to elections, right, especially when it comes to, like, how the government operates and works and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Like, I think that is probably one of the biggest things that I would want in there. Another, another big thing that I would like to see in that type of order would be maybe the restriction of of how it models are used. I don't think that AI is is far enough to say, you know, fully automate certain things, but I think, like when it comes to stuff with the defense of our country, I think I would want to make sure that there's someone who is in the seat, like the driver seat of that, like I wouldn't want to have that whole thing automated. Sure, that could be a process, you know a possible thing, but I wouldn't want that because I think that would be a very, a very big thing that can cause problems, right, because there are certain things that logic isn't going to correctly solve.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, so you have. You know, I think I brought this up a few times, but you have certain movies, like eagle eye, that were way ahead of their time. Right, but what that essentially was was a artificial intelligence that was protecting internal and external security for our country. But it again, it developed its own neural pathways and has very own approach to doing that. You know it was not good and you know that movie came out in the way to row nine didn't resonate, but now it absolutely would, right, yeah, because of those things, and to your point what?
Speaker 1:you're saying to autism. I just thought would be way ahead of these kinds of actions like social services. Oh, and it's completely down on this. You know how, so you can actually understand the situation and know it as functions when you're really at risk. That your friends, that they can imagine these things. I think that that is so. I'm still a fan of Stephen Colbert. I was watching the late show last night and they talked about this executive order and then used AI to have a fake conversation with a fake Joe Biden, and there were some parts it was very obvious it was fake, but there were other parts where, out of context, it could have been sold as being him and that was just for a comedic bit, and so, if you took that from a malicious intent, it is a concern and it's something that needs to be addressed, without a doubt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly yeah. I mean, it's a terrifying thought process that the information that you receive is not good right, and making sure that we develop technologies to be able to detect that kind of stuff is vital. I think, especially since we're going into an election year, it would be very vital that stuff like that doesn't happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I agree. Well, let's dive in here. So this is being called a landmark executive order. So, off the top, ai safety and security new standards for the development and deployment of AI to ensure safety and security this is all high level stuff and of course, we can jump in, but I just bullet pointed this out. So I think for that, I think it's just to make sure, maybe even address those concerns of what that developer was saying from Google, making sure that this is manageable to ensure all that.
Speaker 1:So, again, if you need me to dive in further on any of these, let me know. Yeah, but developers of high risk AI systems are going to share safety test results and critical information with the US government. So that is what that would look like and include more. And the National Institute of Standards and Technology are going to develop rigorous standards for testing AI systems before public release. I'm not against that stuff at all. Fortunately and I think this goes back to something I mentioned on that episode a couple weeks back, but you and I have talked about too multiple times is that if we left this up to Congress, if we left this up to the House and the Senate, it would never happen. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it would take too long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would. So the executive order is the way to go and I don't think there's anything against it. In fact, now the House and the Senate are both debating bills that would go along with this, so it took this executive order. I think that that's a good move and a solid way to go, because we've seen what has happened with social media without that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly Without those guardrails. That's all we're trying to get right, You're just trying to get those guardrails in place because it matters. It matters and it makes a huge difference. We don't want it to be the wild, wild, wild.
Speaker 1:You don't, and so largely because that movie is not that great once you get older.
Speaker 3:Hey man, hey man Loveless was was doing his stuff, man Loveless was trying bro. Exactly he was going for it Half spider?
Speaker 1:No, but no. So here. Okay, here's my thing, right? So these protections will inherently inhibit development of AI, right, yeah, yeah, it will. Because, and with the good intention of safety first, obviously. But you know, chat to you, right now at the bottom. It normally tells you when it's latest update is. I don't know, by the way, I'm not trying to claim I know this, but I don't know if this is because of this executive order. But now what it says is chat, gpt can make mistakes, verify important information. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:That's new. Normally just tells you when the latest update was yeah, yeah, exactly. So that is interesting.
Speaker 3:More of that warning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you have a very long thread with chat GPT that has a lot of different information in it and what I remember is that thread used to maintain in its memory the whole time. But now if you log out or if you refresh the page, it will only go back as far as the last thing that you had interacted with it and that thread. Even if that thread is, you know, a thousand messages long, if you refresh it it will only go back to the last time you refreshed.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's such a limiting factor.
Speaker 1:It is, and I think it does it because of these type of stipulations. Now, yeah, I can see it. So it doesn't carry too much personal information and all that kind of stuff, right I?
Speaker 3:can see it, and it's interesting because it does make me wonder, like, what these type of rulings will be doing to what we talked about a few weeks back with the AI that Facebook is using, right, or is developing with these personalities. Right, with these celebrity personalities, because you know, if you're in their case, right, if you're trying to create an AI personality off of an existing person, you'd want to make sure that those conversations flow and continue to have context within that, and I wonder if this will hamper some of that right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I would agree, though, that it probably will, and that's okay. I don't think, you know, for the average person, the average person, do they need more than what Chad, gpt or Bard offer? You know, I don't think so. But also, you know, ai, which I learned this through an interview I watched with Neil de Grass-Dyson has been integral in developing medication to where it is now, as far back as 2015. And it is largely why which could you imagine if they shared this when people were afraid of freaking out about MRA COVID vaccine is largely why there's an mRNA COVID vaccine and why it was able to be developed so quick. You know, because mRNA treatment was initially developed for cancer vaccines and stuff like that, and so they were able to adapt it to fit COVID and, yeah, I think that was sent people over the hill. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which I'll double check my sourcing on that, but that is what I remember is it had a role, it continues to have a role in a lot of medical advancements, treatments, as it should, and, you see, these things with overall scientific developments as well. I have no problem with that. But I do agree with you, denison and again we have a lot more to jump in here too, so I'll start flying through it but I agree with you that there need to be things that protect us from AI integration into national security, government leadership, police and our own private information as well and the media, so that we're not being misled down a road that AI has projected for us.
Speaker 1:I mean, I can see that. And again, that's not to say that's necessarily a bad thing, because take, for example, I watched an interview the other day, also on 60 Minutes, where the security leaders of five different countries, including ours, which was FBI Director Christopher Wray. He said that China is the biggest national security concern that we have ever faced, and it's because of their use of AI and things like that. Which was interesting of him to say that. I'm not here to argue that point one way or the other, but it just shows. You know, back in 2016, they were trying to manipulate our election through social media manipulation, right, and so if there was a way to block that and protect us from it, so we develop our own opinions rather than those of rogue nations, I think that's fantastic. Yeah, so I'm sorry. No, you're all right.
Speaker 3:I think I think that's very true and I think that's very important. That's the reason why I do enjoy the. I think these protections are so, so, very important and I also I feel that we can benefit with a little bit of a slowing down of the development of AI. I think there's a lot of really really good benefits in that slowdown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just make sure it's all done safely is where you're coming from.
Speaker 3:Yeah, safely as well. As I feel like we can refine things a little bit better, right, because I think right now, how Silicon Valley has done in the past in general is like anytime there's a new product or breakthrough or whatever like that, they try to push it out to the market as quickly as possible. It's the whole push it out and fix all the broken parts later, just get it out. And so I feel like with the new advancements and changes and features, I've just been in that get it out moment and I feel like it is causing us more issues than we should have with these types of tools, especially because of how powerful they are. I think they just need to now get to a point where they come out correctly, right, more mature, and I think this bill has the opportunity or not this bill, but this executive order has the opportunity to help that.
Speaker 1:Sure, I think we know too it's not going to be perfect. The interesting side to the aspect of this is an AI developer could develop an AI that misleads this group that is meant to oversee this kind of stuff. Yeah, that's true, but that is true with almost any industry, so I don't think it deserves a higher point of concern than anything else does.
Speaker 3:You know what I? Mean.
Speaker 1:Well, let's go into privacy protection here. So this emphasizes the need for bipartisan data privacy legislation, which I think is probably what's going through the House in the Senate right now Accelerate the development of privacy preserving techniques using AI and evaluate the strength and evaluate and strengthen sorry privacy guidelines for federal agencies regarding AI risks. So it's more of a on the back end kind of a thing to make sure that everything's in place for both protection and then any sort of legal issues that come from that. Advancement of equity and civil rights, a part of a broader objective to ensure AI advances equity and civil rights, which I think we can probably take a second to touch on. That one. Yeah, this is something I saw that was very quick. Again, this was this would actually align with an example of the fear mongering I see on a lot of mainstream media, but I do remember it being a concern. So it is interesting that's in this executive order that AI analyzes how America is more white privilege. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And then would continue to reciprocate that, rather than giving free opportunity or open opportunities to all you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so I think that's probably where that comes from.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I would imagine so I mean as well as just in general, like AI, I think there is still kind of a bias in certain ways, especially because of, I mean, in general right, any works that we do are going to come from a more bias standpoint.
Speaker 3:But I will say that this has the opportunity to kind of help take it outside of that and make it and open it up to be a little bit more broader, a little bit more like it's trying to achieve more equitable to different communities other than just one community or whatever like that.
Speaker 3:Sure, we've talked about a couple of times where there has been plenty of issues when it comes to facial recognition right, ai that is being used in facial recognition cameras, that it has been proven that there are that a lot of facial recognition softwares struggle with identifying, and this particular study was black faces as opposed to white faces. It was able to distinguish the difference between white faces a lot more than it could than it did for black faces, and so I think this also can help that right, create better policies, better writing of the code, as well as just kind of opening it up for more opportunities for people of color to be able to really participate more into the development than I think that they have had beforehand. As well, as the information that those AIs push out, like you said, is far more equitable to everyone in that just one specific minority group because it's fishing for, or one specific group because it's kind of catering towards the perceived majority or whatever.
Speaker 1:Right, well, yeah, I completely agree with everything you said. I was able to find some more information on this particular one. So first three things here provide clear guidance to landlords, federal benefit programs and federal contractors to keep AI algorithms from being used to exacerbate discrimination still broad, but I think you can probably see what the intention is there. I don't know how I get, how the benefits programs would use AI, but the others are not. It's so broad, there's so many different ways.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know for the when it comes to landlords and stuff like that. There was a relatively recent scandal a few months back about, like real pages, the property management company using an AI to change how rent prices were. That was. One of the problems is that it was making it to where there was less competition. But then they also found that in that same program that it would be less favorable to minority individuals. Minorities then it would be to say white individuals when it came to pricing and all sorts of other stuff like that.
Speaker 3:So as well as approvals and stuff. So I can really see it there too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's a good catch. I'm glad you added that it also says here address algorithmic discrimination which is what you're really into there through training, technical assistance and coordination between the Department of Justice and federal civil right offices. Best practices for investigating and prosecuting civil rights violations related to AI. So that's interesting Having that on the back end too, to address that properly and then ensure fairness throughout the criminal justice system by developing best practices on the use of AI and sentencing, parole and probation, pretrial, release and detention, risk assessments, surveillance, crime forecasting and predictive policing and forensic analysis. Now we're getting into one of John's favorite AI-oriented movies, which is not really AI. If I remember right, they were like these three aliens I could see the future or something like that, but we were in a transition.
Speaker 1:This from 2002 to now. It would be AI, and that is Minority Report, which is a great film. Well, I find it interesting about how this is written by the White House. It's written in a way so that it doesn't strike fear into people, because I don't really know how AI would benefit in sentencing, parole, probation, pretrial release and detention, because we already have judges. I actually, when it comes to the judiciary system, yes, you have your liberal judges, you have your conservative judges, but what they do is they base it off the precedent of years of what came before them. You know what I mean, and so it's not. Of course, we don't always agree with what the decisions are, but they're not necessarily just up their free base in whatever their final decision is. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. But I think what this is really going towards is for that future right Of, where there's a possibility that AI just becomes far more involved in the judicial system than we would expect, right. So maybe right for us. We feel that AI is going to be a little bit more equitable or a little bit more less bias when it comes to decision making, or at least have it as a second opinion. Like the judge rules this, or before the judge rules it, they put in all the information of the case and what happened and stuff like that, and then the AI spits out a ruling of what it would say, and then the judge can say, okay, well, based on what the AI says and other stuff, I can see a future where they're like okay, well, I'm just gonna go with what the AI said, because that seems to be the most fair deal, Something like that, and so I could see the reason why you would wanna have protections on these types of things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it would be interesting if there was an AI analysis, either alongside or in place of a jury. You know, interesting, yeah, that'd be an interesting thing. I imagine it wouldn't be in place of, but maybe in addition to that'd be really interesting to be able to synthesize all of the information that you received during the trial. What would that look like? Some of this stuff, which is very good, but it's, I think we're years out from that happening, but it's good that we're ahead of this. You know, it's not reactionary for once, it's precautionary.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I mean, I will even say that sometimes in some ways, especially how fast things have been moving lately, honestly, this is probably right on time, exactly. Well, that's a great point Because, yeah, that code that they're writing right now is probably already in the process of being written. Yeah, being worked on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's a great point. I mean, that's probably why it made it in the freaking executive order. You know what I mean? Yeah, and where the minority report relation comes in is the fact that builds up to this Risk assessments, surveillance, crime forecasting and predictive policing and forensic analysis. Now, forensic analysis absolutely would benefit from AI, without a doubt. Oh yeah, oh man, I mean, if you could go have an analysis of a crime scene and be able to have trajectories of where bullets came from and what gun they were tied to and all that kind of stuff, the crime forecasting and predictive policing, that's something that needs protection right off the bat, because then you do waver into potential you know, racial issues, to say the least. But to further, maybe better explain where my mindset is minority report, the idea was these aliens were able to predict what crimes that would happen before they happened, and so people were getting arrested for stuff they didn't even do. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Now I think that that's a dystopian future that maybe we would never reach to an institutional level. But making sure the protections are in place that we never do, I'm very much on board with. Yeah, I am as well. I am as well.
Speaker 3:I think it's just super important. Yeah, I agree. So okay, I'm gonna clip through these next few here.
Speaker 1:Innovation and competition innovation, competition from innovation and competition. The AI domain, with voluntary commitments from 15 leading companies to drive safe and trustworthy AI development that's great. I don't think you really have to incentivize any competition in this industry right now, but to incentivize it on a safe level with 15 companies I'm sure include Google and Microsoft that's a great thing. National and economic security addressing AI threats to national security, economic security and public health and safety. Development of a national security memorandum to get the best results possible. National security memorandum to guide the military and intelligence community in safe, ethical and effective AI use that's a big one I think we should look at real quick. Okay, so let's see here National Security Council and White House Chief of Staff are developing this memorandum. This document will ensure the United States military and intelligence community use AI safely, ethically and effectively in their missions and will direct actions to counter adversaries' military use of AI.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing. That's very broad. Right, that's not specific AI in the military. I would go as far and bold as to say that's probably been used for like 15 years. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm, you know Because. Why do you say that, john? Well, I say it because we spend three, yeah, over three times more on our military than China does. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean even than any other nation, honestly.
Speaker 1:Well, they're the second closest you know, and everyone else pales in comparison to what we spend on our military. So there are a number of things that we don't even know that we have. It just wouldn't surprise me if AI was part of that. But also, with all that said and all that secrecy, I don't know how you police that for ethical and safe use of AI in the military.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean hey, our Congress is already having a hard time getting facts about different spending on stuff like that Absolutely the DOD does. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a number of things I mean even just as well I don't need to go down that path Just the stuff that I've seen our military having a presence around Israel and Gaza right now. You just look at that and you're like we have nothing to worry about. You know, from a security, from our own safety standpoint. Darian Chamin on the comments here. Good to have you on the comments, man, thank you. He says in regard to the AI and the judicial system, I can see it causing a rift because AI would end up taking the roles away from the human paralegals. Could be a good thing, but it could go the other way too, and of course, I don't disagree whatsoever. I do think that taking the lawyers out of the courtroom in place of AI, I kind of feel like that would be one of the last things that would happen, not to say it wouldn't happen. What I mean is I don't think that'd be the first thing that would change, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:That's just my opinion. But with that said, yeah, I don't know, I think right now, yeah, if that were to happen, I'd be like, oh no, like I don't want to be argued for or against by a robot. You know what I'm saying. But is it working alongside with those things? Is it being replaced by them? I don't know. What do you think, man?
Speaker 3:Honestly, I could see it. I could see it. I could see a world and this may be, I think this is where Darian's also going where I could see a world where you always have a right to an attorney, right, but who are you to say that your attorney has to be a human? Yeah, I mean I could easily see it to being where the court appointed attorney is an AI and then you have to pay good money for a real person, or where it could be vice versa, you know you could.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I actually really On the first approach you took to it, though I actually really like that idea, that idea that you know if you are in the court and you can't afford your own attorney, is their job to give you one. But it what if that was an AI instead? I think actually that would Equalize the field. You know, yeah, it could, it could right. Well, again, not now, but maybe five years, ten years from now. Yeah, I kind of like that idea. But, darian, with all that said, you know, I know we're we're kind of making our arguments here and thankfully that's why this executive order is so Good and timely is to protect people from misuse of this kind of stuff, if it does get to that level, you know. But my initial Opinion is that AI in legal cases would just be used to analyze evidence.
Speaker 3:You know, but I mean, that is a job of paralegal.
Speaker 1:That's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 3:That's like one of their biggest things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, yep, that's a good point. Look, we're on the same page then, so that's a good point. I think, of course, it will start out with working alongside, and that's the biggest thing, and we both have said this we don't want to see jobs get stripped from people, especially on the mass level that they could with AI. We don't want to see that. If anything, we want to see work alongside, which I think is the proponent of many pro AI people. Is you work with it, not be replaced by it? Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Hopefully that can be maintained, because of course we know these are made by businesses that are looking to make money, and you don't make money More than if you replace an entire human with your AI, you know, or at least in certain situations, probably, yeah, okay, let's I got two more here Consumer and worker protection coincidentally, establishing standards to protect against AI enabled fraud and deception and standing up for consumers and workers affected by AI.
Speaker 1:Let me double check this one here. So here's what this says from the White House's website AI is changing America's jobs and workplaces, offering both the promise of improved productivity but also the increased dangers of workplace surveillance by that's a good point too bias and job displacement To mitigate these risks. Supporting the workplaces To mitigate these risks. Support workers ability to bargain collectively and enforce, and workforce training and development as accessible to all. The president directs the following actions Develop principles and best practices to mitigate the harms and maximize the benefits of AI for workers by addressing job displacement, labor standards, workplace equity, health and safety and data collection. These principles and best practices will benefit workers by providing government or by providing guidance to prevent employers from under compensating workers, which is something we talked about before, evaluating job applications unfairly or impinging on workers abilities to organize.
Speaker 1:That is actually kind of the main thing, and I got another bullet point to read off here, but that's kind of the main thing. I'm gathering from this is pro-union, yes, and producer report on AI's potential labor market impacts and Study and identify options for strengthening federal support for workers facing the labor disruptions, including from AI. So that's, that's all good. Now I think that stuff needs to happen, but Maybe it doesn't have to be the United are the auto workers union. Maybe it doesn't have to be this union, blah, blah, blah. Maybe you have one national union that anyone At any organization can be a part of mm-hmm, that protects from this stuff, right, yeah, maybe it's not even called a union, maybe it's just a Federally mandated protection.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, again, I think you know you, you look at it from outside, looking in, you have AI. You already have robots that make cars, right. Yeah, so you complete the entire production with AI, right? Mm-hmm. Why wouldn't you do that? Of course you could. You pay for it one time and you don't have salaried workers in there. I mean, financially would make sense. So there has to be protection against that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, yeah. It just makes too much sense for most businesses.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so. The last one here international leadership, advancing American leadership globally, and AI, safety and security, say an example for the private sector and governments worldwide. Obviously just a generic thing to say to be the forefront of this for the, for the world, mm-hmm, but all interesting stuff there, man, and I think that there's a lot of Ground that is covered there. I think there will be a lot of ground that has to be developed further, but and I think it explains something we mentioned earlier as to why the house and the center are still working on this For more detailed bills, I would imagine, yeah, but, but I think this sets good groundwork. What are your thoughts on all this?
Speaker 3:No, I think, I think you're right. I think this is amazing groundwork for everyone to go forward and I think it gives us a better opportunity, opportunity. To Pardon me for transparency story.
Speaker 1:It's common some point.
Speaker 3:But it's. I think it gives us a better opportunity for transparency in AI, because I think one of the biggest things right now is that Most, if I'm not mistaken well, I shouldn't say most Some of the AI tools like oh, open AI is a chat. Gbt does a pretty decent job of being relatively open and honest about like their their movements and their updates and stuff like that. But I think this bill or not bill gosh darn executive order Opens up the door for far more transparent transparency as well, as you know that that pump the brakes moment right of just being able to create Much, a far better environment for Everybody, right, because I'm sure, yeah, sure, technically, most of these were focused in on government entities, but A double dose.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, sorry I do, I do apologize, but um, but yeah, I think it just gives a far better opportunity for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree, some of it, as we, as we saw it's already underway to be detailed more like that memory memorandum for national security, our legal system, all that kind of stuff, the job stuff. I mean it's we live in a free country and so it's not something you can let literally just executive order out. But yeah, to pave the way for that legislation to come down I think is a great idea and I think it's something that, nationally, you know it has to be the focus right now. It's Probably Not something you're gonna hear on the campaign trail between now and a year, from roughly a year from now, but you know you have things like so in which, not right now.
Speaker 1:My three big things have, coincidentally, been the focus of the campaigns, which has been great. It's been our economic development, it's been our lack of funding for police, it's been the homeless community growing, not having the resources available to them, and so that's been the focus and that's been great to hear. This is the stuff that needs to be focused on a national level and it's the stuff we need to hear you know what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean, I am glad to hear that and, yeah, I think we had a good discussion on this. I do want to mention, because we went longer on this than we expected we would, so I'll make this a quick mention. So, talking about the Beatles, I'm not going to play on here because we'll definitely get the live stream banned, but they have a new song out. What did you say?
Speaker 3:I was just saying we'll get copyrighted.
Speaker 1:Get copyrighted man Copy copyright, so it's called Now and Then, and it's very cool, and the reason I want to bring it up is because of how AI brought this thing to life, and for people that are concerned about AI, they're also concerned about how it will impact art and music, right, those type of things and so I think this is important to share because it shows how it can be done with no minimal to none of negative impact. So back in the 90s, the Beatles released two new songs based off of demos that John Lennon had had, that he had written before he was killed, and they finished up and they're okay, but they didn't have available to them what they have now, and this one is genuinely a very good song. So they took what John had done, which he basically set one mic over a piano, an upright piano, also angling toward his face, so it's getting the piano and his voice at the same time. What's amazing about what I'm going to tell you guys is the crossover frequencies on piano and vocals obviously depend on where you're playing, but where he was playing pretty much the same. So early 2022, peter Jackson directed, I believe, even produced, the street piece documentary of the Beatles recording the Let it Be album, and I didn't know this at the time, but he used AI to be able to take everything that was being captured in the room mics of the studio, because now everything was mic'd at the time for recording, but they were just sitting there writing and it was able to capture all of it, split it out differently and then mix it and yeah, mix it properly.
Speaker 1:And so Paul McCartney hears about this and they're able to do the same thing with this demo from John Lynn. They split his vocals and the piano separately, so now it's two separate tracks and when you hear it you'll probably be amazed by how well it did it. I mean, it's very impressive. And so then Ringo was able to go in and play drums, paul McCartney played bass, he had some guitar, I think, and he did vocals and harmonies, and then they even left some guitar parts that George Harrison had done in the 90s before he passed away in 01.
Speaker 1:It's very cool and I really you know I have this poster behind me, I know right there, but I wouldn't say I've been directly impacted by Beatles music as far as my writing and stuff for a while. So I say all this to you guys, not as a fan, even though I am one, but not as this mega T-Swift type of fan. Right, I say it just out of respect for the craft and what they pulled off, and it really is a beautiful song. And I think what's really cool too, man, is they changed the industry, they changed music back in 1964, right.
Speaker 1:And, almost 60 years later, they're still doing things as they have done, sporadically, off and on, throughout all that time. They're still doing things that are changing the music industry or leaving a lasting impact.
Speaker 3:You know exactly it's very mind-blowing, it's mind-blowing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very cool, and I don't know if you have anything else you'd like to add to that. You definitely can. But I think a lot of people's concerns are like you know, oh, I'm going to hear a new so-and-so song, but it's not really going to be them, it's going to be AI pertaining to be them, right, and I think what's great about it is the Beatles have just shown how AI can help make good music, but also make it human at the same time.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly, it opens more doors than what people feel like it's closing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly Exactly, and I realize not every musician out there is. You know they're not in their 80s and trying to finish a demo they worked on 30 years ago. But think about I know you and I both love this track on Drake's Scorpion album. Don't matter to me, he took a demo that was unfinished by Michael Jackson. Imagine if they had that technology and use that technology and there's several, several, if I remember right. There are several dozen unfinished Michael Jackson tracks that they just couldn't split the files apart to make it a finished track.
Speaker 3:Stuff like that you could you know, yeah, you really could, and it would be pretty amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So that kind of stuff is exciting. I think it's very cool. I just wanted to mention it real quick.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, man, I think we had a good discussion on this. Always great to have people in the comments. Darian, thank you for chiming in and thanks on the notification gangs as well. Remember, and do remember. We want you to leave a rating review wherever you're listening, wherever you're watching. That is the quickest, easiest way to help us continue to grow. Number two if you're listening to this on audio, jump on the Facebook or YouTube live stream with us and let us know your thoughts in real time or on rewatch as well. We live every Thursday night. And number three check out. Check out. Our shop is linked wherever you're listening or wherever you're watching. Right now we got good, clean, ketchup podcast merch. So, with that said, we're going to bump out. But I want to bump out with this new track dude, not the Beatles track, all right.
Speaker 1:A new podcast intro slash outro. I may shorten the intro. I wanted to get your take on it. We'll talk about it after we jump off. Okay, but this is not something I did. Just to be clear. This is something that we hired somebody to work on and it is great. So please let me know. If you can't hear it, here we go. You hear that, all right Good. Now I'm leaving the intro. This is just so. Another piece of Uh huh. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right back to our theme. At the end. I Love it honestly. You guys, you guys don't know this, but I have a full Mysterio set up here. I hadn't actually listened to it through that until right now. Hope that's a half as good for you guys as it did for us. Yeah, that's very cool. I actually don't think I'm gonna change anything with that.
Speaker 3:What do you do yeah? No, I don't think so either. I think it's really really good, Perfect really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we can adjust our timing as we do, because we have a very, very rhythmic intro that we do because we've had the same intro for so long. Now we know exactly how long we have to intro ourselves, but we can change it as needed because, man, it's just such a vibe. The guy did say he was gonna give me other Drum beats that would come in like different options. He hasn't done that yet, but I don't know if he needs to. I love that groove.
Speaker 3:I agree. Yes, I really, I really do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a really good job sweet, so Daring, like three thumbs up, let's go, man. Thank you. Thank you, bro. Yeah, we're glad you like it, man, we're. And it's still. It's not a done deal. So if you guys are listening or watching this and you have other thoughts, less than your thoughts, but I Think it's a cool one, I like it. So, yeah, I dig it, man. Yeah. So, with all that said, thank you guys, so much for listening, thank you for watching, and we'll catch up with you next week. Oh you.
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