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AI Avatars, Privacy Concerns, and the Impact on Personal Branding
Ever wondered about the seismic shifts that AI is set to deliver on the landscape of social media? Ever imagined what it would be like to converse with the AI version of your favorite celebrity? Well, prepare to venture into an intriguing exploration of Meta's recent release of an AI assistant that just might redefine the way we interact with creators. We delve into the business aspect, with juicy tales of substantial sums offered to creators for use of their likeness. One creator reportedly pocketed a cool $5 million. Intrigued yet?
In a world rapidly being colonized by AI, could you envision a future where your brand is managed by a virtual assistant? With Meta's creation, we might well be on the precipice of such a reality. We explore this possibility, and question if this is the end game for social media. As we navigate the murky waters of ethical implications and privacy concerns, we bring to your notice the potential risks, like the harvesting of personal data from unsuspecting users. We also share a riveting video of an AI reciting a poem, a chilling reminder of how human-like these virtual beings can become.
As we steer towards the tail end of our discussion, we delve into the fascinating world of AI avatars. The thought of interacting with an AI replica of a real person is mind-boggling, and it prompts a whole new set of queries. What does it mean for personalized advertising? Could it lead to dehumanized conversations? And might it offer a unique solution to those struggling with loneliness or social anxiety by creating parasocial relationships? But before we sign off, let's discuss some ways you can lend your support to our podcast and ensure we keep bringing you these thought-provoking conversations.
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Speaker 1:Let's see. There's your phone cases, there's your mug, there's a gator if you're wanting to breathe well and not get COVID. This was an idea from somebody I used to know, just like that song, but it's a cartoon version of the cover of the podcast. I love it. Anyway, that's a good cool shirt. It's actually really nice too, very comfy, yeah. So this thing, this mug, is not just your average mug, but it doesn't really show that, does it.
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Speaker 2:I'll take you on the ride. So yeah, there was a report that came out a day ago or so a few days ago, I think where it was talking about Meta in the process of releasing some AI, some new AI assistance. But what their hook is, as opposed to what we've already gotten from, like Bard and Bing and ChatGBT is that you get to use these AI assistants as though you're kind of talking to their real-life counterparts. So what Meta did was the report says that essentially they approached multiple different famous creators and offered and asked if they could use their likeness for their AIs for a certain sum of money. This report shows that one of the creators an unknown one, we don't know was paid about $5 million, but apparently originally Meta was going to offer this person $1 million but essentially went upwards.
Speaker 2:So, if we can, so one. And the report just says there was a top creator. We don't know exactly what that means, we don't know who that could be, but I would imagine if this is a creator, so like some sort of a YouTuber or something like that, because they do have you know what. Let me go ahead and just talk about some of the people that they rounded up in this AI pursuit.
Speaker 1:You want me to start throwing out some names?
Speaker 2:Yeah go ahead, throw them out there, man.
Speaker 1:Okay, so again. First of all, darian, thank you for the notification. Gang bro Always appreciate it. Yeah, so, like we mentioned, dwayne Wade, kendall Jenner, tom Brady, charlie D'Amelio, mr Beast model, mr Beast Denison and, I believe, paracilton it was weird because from the side it looked like a Megan trainer.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, so it's a little vague on that one. That was a little bit harder. Another face that is on there and we didn't get the chance to talk about it was a Snoop Dogg. Yes, is on there, which is really interesting, and then a couple of. There's an MMA fighter I forgot what his name is. If you remember the show, even Stevens, the dad from Even Stevens is on there.
Speaker 1:What, yeah, dude, that's such a 90s kid's appeal. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:I know no.
Speaker 1:It's so weird. So to further explain that too, what Metta has done is they've reached out to these people and paid them for their likeness, just so they can have this AI version of them. Now, the name doesn't represent them, but their personality does not just their looks, and that's what's weird about the videos, which I know will show you some. But it makes you wonder, because everything that's been generated by AI on these profiles clearly shows it. It will have a watermark on there that says so, but the videos don't, and that's equally easy to put on videos, as is photos. But when you see like this, probably the most confounding one to me was Tom Brady. There was one with Charlie D'Amelio that we watched, where it showed her getting ready for her day, and the movements were too fluid to where AI is at this point. Believe it was AI Exactly.
Speaker 2:It weren't weird enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Tom Brady, it was right in between. I don't know man.
Speaker 2:I. Still feel like it it was. It was fake or not fake, but a real video, like with actual time breaking, and they're just using his, his profile. But but yeah, I mean you're, you're right, though, like it's, it's hard to distinguish like Real versus fake, so it's really interesting. I One thing to note, too, is that this unknown person right, who essentially leaked a lot of this information, said that it they were in a studio with Meta people For like six hours and they got paid five million dollars for it right, you know so it's Kind of interesting, it's kind of crazy, crazy.
Speaker 2:Honestly, for me I feel like five million dollars is a little too cheap.
Speaker 1:Oh, Well, yeah, I Agree. I think we have to get into why that is, though, yeah, yeah and sorry, go ahead. No, I mean, and we will. I don't know if we need to do it off the top, but I think you know just even that. I know that sounds crazy, right, like all of us would love to have five million dollars, but Now let's just go ahead and get into it, because, well, I want to know from you people on the stream right now is you people?
Speaker 2:our viewers.
Speaker 1:I want to know. I want to know from our viewers what they think about this. Just off the top right, because to me, to be scrolling through Instagram, or Well, I mean, that'd probably be the most likely situation right now, since this is owned by Meta I'm scrolling through Instagram and a real pops up of a fake Character that's supposed to be like a real person. Why, what value is that? Adding me, I Mean only people that are really into AI art, an AI media, which I think is a niche part of the population. You know, niche in the way of they like it. That much, you know, I think, is weird and uncommon. I yeah, it's very bizarre to me. So I'd love to know where our viewers think about this. For the five million dollars, the thing about this is this was, from what I remember you saying, a two-year contract, right? Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:It's two-year contract to have their likeness.
Speaker 1:Right. So they're gonna use this to train their AI and eventually it's gonna be completely gone.
Speaker 1:You know these characters will and then they'll just have original AI Characters that you interact with on on social media. Zari, picking up, you know I'm a huge fan of the show Loki. It just came back on. If you're on Instagram right now, you could message an AI chatbot that's acting like miss minutes from the show, if any of you are familiar with that, and that's more fun. You know, that's more of an engagement kind of a thing, but it's also marketing and that was a part of this at Denison. Brought up to that, you think. So play right into the purpose of these right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, um, yeah, so I mean One. I also wanted to give credit where credit to do this idea wasn't wholly me, it was my. My fiance actually suggested that we cover this topic because, you know, it's it's really in. It's really interesting, honestly, to think that we're at this point right because on. It's funny because earlier this year we watched A movie not a movie, but an episode from black mirror, the show black mirror, where they were already talking about something like this right, where it was, yeah, where it was essentially Netflix right or a Amalgamation of Netflix right in the black mirror universe, was by you Subscribing to this service and agreeing to their you know, privacy policy or whatever like that. You, or the terms and conditions, I should really say you gave away your likeness to them to create Content and so in this one to show, essentially they were following this one character and creating content off of their life, and it was really interesting and just kind of went through a whole deal and like it would rope in celebrities and use, like AI, created versions of those celebrities to to act out Scenes of this one person's life, and it was all because this one celebrity said yeah, sure, I'll sign over, right, so that you can do that, because they paid me, like you know, the hundred million dollars or something like that, something crazy, but they had like their like, their like, their like, their like, their like, their like, their like, their like Something crazy, but they had, like their likeness forever that they could use however they want, and so it's really interesting to see this kind of coming true.
Speaker 2:Only, really, in truth, like a few months later, after that episode came out, um, that that meta is doing something similar to it. You know, of course, it's a little bit different, but it's in the same vein and Uh, the reason why I said earlier that I think five million dollars is too cheap, um, for two years, is is that and I'm sure there's other creators that they, or other celebrities Creators that they paid more than this one person, right, so we're just, we only have this as a as a benchmark for our Understanding exactly where they might fall, be at least on the base level was one million dollars, so you know, we can extrapolate from there. But, um, I think the biggest thing about it is that you now allow Meta to one use your ai assistant to talk to millions and millions of people, um, and, in some ways, sure, a lot of these ai's and, um, I'm gonna pull these up in just a moment but a lot of these ai's Won't or don't have the same names as the people that they're modeled off of, right, um, but they do have they're. They're essentially acting like this person, right?
Speaker 2:I saw a, a video of Someone who is in the early access program. Because all of this is Early access, right, it's not something that we have actually access to right now. It's something that they're going to release later on this year, I think early next year. But, um, but even like, when you're chatting in that video, when they were chatting with this person, with this ai, right, it was showing like a little picture of that person While they were chatting with them and they were making faces and, like you know, kind of bobbing around and stuff, and so it's.
Speaker 2:You know, you have these deeper. You have these people who may create these deep bonds, parasocial relationships with these ai's and in some ways, they're really In some ways creating these parasocial relationships which we already have an issue with general, with these actual celebrities. Uh, that I feel like the lines, the lines start getting blurry, and so five million dollars is way too cheap for the amount of money that Basebook in general is going to gain just from users using these applications, not even getting outside of the realm of like users. Um, I think it's gonna be like maybe backlash or screenshotting, saying like look what this person said to me, or look, look, look what kindle Jenner just told me when it's you know, the ai assistant and whatever like that. But they're gonna be like, well, look what this person did, or whatever like that and the backlash that they're going to have to deal with.
Speaker 1:You know, it's just one of those things where it's like I, I just feel like five million dollars is too cheap, honestly honestly, you know, I have to say, in the way of a couple of these people that signed up for this, I'm kind of disappointed with them, you know, because there's such a slippery slope and all they're seeing is the bottom line.
Speaker 2:you know, instant cash. Yeah, six hours worth of work, at least from what I can tell, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and the argument denison made too is that, you know, by interacting with these people or these ai, um, it's only going to increase the Efficiency of meta's ai and then could even lead to a world where, um, we don't even have, we're not even on social media. You know, it's our AI doing our branding for us. Yeah, I mean that, I don't know, man, I don't want to sound like you know I'm outside of the lines or you know I'm not for this kind of crap. Whatever, I'm not, but it just makes me wonder if that is the thing. That's the death of social media. You know what I'm saying? I can see that. I can see that, yeah, because social media is literally man, I don't know. This is just such a bizarre story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it is. It's kind of like a Black Mirror episode.
Speaker 1:It really is, because social media is meant for people to connect. That's why it's social media. You know what I mean. If you're going on there and just ingesting content from artificial intelligence, it's so strange. It makes me wonder how long this will last. But I will say too. Speaking of Black Mirror episodes, I haven't watched that show for a few years, but one I remember very well is there was an entire dating meetup, right, oh yeah, and it was like based on online dating and all this kind of stuff, but what you found out was the whole thing that you just watched was actually just two AI acting out what it would be like if those two people dated, because they paid for that on their dating app, which is crazy, right, but it doesn't seem far fetched with the duration if this were to take off, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong, you're not wrong at all. Like, yeah, it's perfectly easy to tell that that could be something that could happen. I mean, we've already in some ways, with some of these assistants that we're already seeing right now, there's a kind of doomsday scenario where our world could become a point to where, like, think about it right now, right, we already have an AI that can essentially summarize what is in an email. Right, give me the bullet points of that email, right, and then you also could use that same AI to okay, cool, based on this, this is how I would respond, write me a response. So now it's gonna write you a nice professional response.
Speaker 2:And so we could have a point to where, essentially, people are interacting with AI. Like there's just an exchange of emails and flowing of information, and all it's doing is an AI talking to another AI, extrapolating that out so that way people can look at it, and then text, essentially putting it all back together and shipping it back off to another AI to do the exact same thing, and so it's like decoupling that human interaction. And so I can easily see something similar to that, especially since there was an. A meta has already kind of talked about plans of being able to do something similar to this for their own user base giving people access to do something similar to this, to create a avatar of sorts of yourself for people to interact with. I think that was one of their things that they wanted to try and do in the next coming. I had months or so, or years or so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan of that. I mean, if that's the thing that puts me off Facebook and Instagram, then that's what it is. I don't think that would still be a severe reaction to it. But also I, with the way that TikTok's pushing products every other post, I don't know man, we're all gonna go broke apparently. But with that said, no, I think yeah, as you guys can probably tell if you guys have listened to the show for any length of time, I'm thrown off by this. It's very strange, I know. I think, yeah, we should take a look at at least one of these. Denison has pulled up here the yeah, kind of or Kindle Jenner.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:Your sis Billy. Which is which is marketing, and I wanna credit you again for mentioning how the goal of this is to sell product right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, exactly Like, because it's go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, I was just gonna say, because your sis, billy, obviously references Billy Eilish and combining Billy Eilish and the Kindle Jenner, I mean that's an effort to appeal to a demographic right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, exactly, and I think, in truth, this is. It's a great. I think, if this works out really well for Metta, this is an amazing pivot for them. The reason why I say that is because Metta got burned pretty badly with the Metaverse stuff. Right, they really tried for it and just didn't work out for them, sadly.
Speaker 2:But if they do this, we already know that Metta tries to absorb as much of your data as possible, right, but there's certain data that they just can't get, or at least they can't legally get.
Speaker 2:But these AI, as you can see here, get, message me to get started, right, All of this is just like talking to these AI, and the video that I watched of this person interacting with it, this AI was really trying to get them to consistently conversate and talk to them. Even when they said all right, goodbye, the AI was like come on, come back, so we can keep on talking. This is an amazing way for Metta to get detailed personal information from these users and build whole new profiles that they could never do before for advertisers, for their own stuff, all sorts of other stuff learning how people take and stuff like that. You can get so much more detailed information than you could beforehand, and so I think that's one of the biggest things that this could propel Metta into like stratosphere, especially when it comes to like monetization of user-owned content right, Content that's coming from the users, that they're grabbing from their information and stuff. But let's jump into this really quick little short video.
Speaker 1:I want to say, too, that I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think it's a great perspective. I think it's very dehumanizing and just weird. But yes, this is an example of what we were talking about. This is a whole scene of cookies and candles and rain, start of fall, calls for baking and restarting Gilmore Girls dot, dot, dot again. Imagine with AI. You can see the watermark there in the bottom left. That's just weird, right? Yeah, there's the set that we were referencing earlier PR girly by day, advice giver by night. Top comment says Billie Eilish is going to sue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and so, yeah, it's just kind of interesting because, yeah, you've got, yeah, you've got these AI generated photos and stuff like that and it's all very well curated, it looks real. So it's really interesting to see all of this. But let's jump to that video real quick here.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, something, dennis, and I are not sure if it's AI or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, which I feel like it isn't because. Well, I'll just let you guys check it out.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to do this myself.
Speaker 2:I am here to chat whenever you want. Message me for any advice. I am ready to talk and I hope to talk to you soon. Hey guys, it's Billie.
Speaker 1:So there's some part of that where, like, everything is so perfect that makes it look fake, but also that's typically not the case with AI. There's usually some obvious, you know issue Like look at her, look at her neck bone, right.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Thing that I just I feel like that's normal. You think so?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's like a normal, like you know, you got like a vein or whatever, like that, that you got going or whatever neck bone whatever. So I think that's that's that's real I mean I don't. I feel like yeah, I feel like this is a real photo here.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's a good point, no marker. Yeah, no watermark. It doesn't have the hashtag in it.
Speaker 2:Exactly, see. So I feel like these are, these are real right Because, yeah, look at that, imagined with AI on all of them other than this one, and let me get rid of that. This one, yep, it tells me that this is the actual. You know, kindle, jenner or whatever like that, who did this? This is probably part of that. You know that six hours of being in the studio, yeah, a type of type of deal here.
Speaker 1:Dude, literally one of those comments says that is the top comment. It says this is Black Mirror season six, episode one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and so, yeah, that was kind of one of the big things here that I was kind of really interested in. So, yeah, so, and it's interesting because, like I said, these AI have they've got their AI friends here. Now, of course, that's a real person there, but all the AI friends are following each other, which is really interesting. But, yeah, so you've got this cook cook with Max. Right, you've got Max. You've got Amber here, which is this is the one that we think is Paris Hilton. Yeah, and Amber the detective. You know, you've got Game On with Brew, or Game On Brew.
Speaker 2:So this is exactly this is Tom Brady right here, essentially Tom Brady's likeness. Again this is another one of those where I believe it's just you know, image, image, image. This is just him, right? Look at that. You can see. It's filmed on the same day. Same clothes makes sense, right? Hi, I'm Tom Brady. Exactly, hi, I'm Tom, I'm doing it. I'm Brew.
Speaker 1:If you're looking to talk sports, you've come to the right place.
Speaker 2:See and then I'm sorry, what? No, it feels very, tom Brady, it really does Exactly, exactly, so it also looks like he's reading a teleprompter.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it does. You can see those comments, though, man. Most people are freaked out by it, other people are just making jokes about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're right, you're right. I mean because it is kind of creepy Because, yeah, you've got these AIs coming in and it does make you wonder, like you know how, like you were talking about before, like how long is it before we start having like full on, like real people or not real people? But yeah, we're guess, yeah, real people getting replaced by AI on social media platforms.
Speaker 1:Right? Well, and this was one of my big concerns too, is I think about things like the upcoming election? But even take right now right, if we took this technology and replicated Benjamin Netanyahu? Right with what's going on in Israel right now? Think of the issues you know and it's not like it's uncommon for meta to be hacked. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. I think of those broader things rather than just what this means for an account I don't have to follow. You know what I'm saying, but it mostly is don't have too many followers. That's the interesting thing about it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, you know, you're right, the only ones. So that is interesting that this one actually is only isn't following all of its other AI friends, but the other ones are. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Kindle Jenner. One has 100,000 followers, but the rest of them are a lot lower.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're right. And the Kindle Jenner one that's their bread and butter, right, that's going to be the one most likely. They didn't pay Kindle Jenner $5 million. They probably paid her quite a bit more. Some of these other people I can see that for, but Kindle Jenner is the one that I'm pretty darn sure is going to bring in most of the people, right? So this is the, I believe, like the Charlie D'Amelio one, and actually this is the reason why I said we were talking about this before we got on air, but that I was saying, yeah, I believe this is probably an AI image and not a real person.
Speaker 2:Of course, it's got that little tag there, but this was also what I used to say, like, yeah, these are real people are like real videos with real people, and these are just like actual and they're not actually creating videos, because one of the telltale signs I've always found with AI and AI images is that they do. It's everything's just ever so slightly not correct, right. So at first glance, really quickly, this looks fine, but see, some of the joints get kind of weird if you start to zoom in and the hands AI don't. They don't do well with hands. I mean, we saw this when we were playing with Dolly Dolly three last a few episodes back, I believe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it does weird stuff with hands, right, and this is not bad. It's not bad at all, right. So some weirdness with the hands. Joints are a little weird. Like, look at this, you've got your foot here, but that looks like your knee. That's kind of weird, that doesn't work. And then if you go out, zoom out into this one like that's, that looks a little strange too. So, so you can tell what is and isn't created by it, but I will say that most of these are actually pretty good so the bottom right one, that that reel on the bottom right, this one, yeah, what's that look like.
Speaker 1:Let's see Coco here, and one of the most important things about being a dancer is keeping your body healthy, and the best way to do that. It does seem like it's her. You know, this is one of the most fundamental parts of every dancer's career and a lot of us go for the mix, so this is really a stretch yeah. A stretch with the jump cuts? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's not AI.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, that's a real person. And again, you know we can go back to the hands. You can go back to some of the other stuff. Usually, if it's a, if it's a AI, right, you're going to see weird stuff like hands or artifacting in weird places and stuff like that. The reflection reflections as well either. Yeah, these are for sure. These are for sure, like actual videos, that they did.
Speaker 1:But which is also even weirder, because why? Why are they trying to blur the lines between what's AI and what's not?
Speaker 2:Because you have to make these, they're trying to make these AI personas very lifelike, right, as lifelike as possible, because the thing is, most way, the most of the time that people are going to be interacting with these AI is going to be through their little chat feature that they have, because, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's follow or oh yeah, it's something similar to, like you can see it on the app. They don't have it here, but there's a spot where you can essentially click on it or whatever like that, and you can chat with that one, or you can start the process of, like you know, messaging this AI or something like that. I think, since I've already opted in it won't show anymore, but, yeah, you would do that. Most people are going to interact with them by just chatting with them.
Speaker 2:So these posts are very important, right? And so I'm sure they did multiple videos with these celebrities to do different videos, multiple different videos and different avenues, and they're going to slowly churn them out over the next year, two years or whatever like that, to really keep those lines blurred and really get people to really pull in right, because, sure, I think the initial reaction, just like a lot of things, is going to be discussed in fear. But as we get deeper down the rabbit hole and as it becomes something more and more like, more and more prevalent, you're going to start seeing more and more people interacting with these AI and actually using them.
Speaker 1:This is the most Snoop Dogg thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2:Ready to play?
Speaker 1:What the?
Speaker 2:hell yeah. So it's interesting because I've got a ready player one.
Speaker 1:I'm not doing a ready player one with this hot looking Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will say like it's interesting because, yeah, some of them that I've seen are you can kind of tell who phoned it in and who didn't?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just won that money. He was like I don't care, he's like oh, hopefully he's, I'll take it. It's fine, hey can you do me a favor real quick, though Of course Could you hit and stay on that this one. Learn more. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, learn more section. This one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what you should know. Ai character profiles are managed by Meta. Content posted may be generated by both human and AI tools. So that basically confirms what we were talking about. I thought.
Speaker 2:I saw that.
Speaker 1:So some of its video, or well, the video we've seen, we feel very confident is actually those people maybe face manipulated a little bit to look a little like their AI counterpart. But yeah, chat with them directly, use Instagram direct, and then it tells you what generated of AI is. So okay, yeah. My next question with this, I mean do you think this works? You think this lasts?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think this works. I think this works. Honestly, as much as I would love to say this isn't going to work, this isn't going to do well, I have a really, really hard time believing that it's not, that it's going to be really terrible, that it's not going to work, it's not going to do well. I think these AI, like I said, they're going to be met with disgust at first and then they're going to really jump into popularity, similar to how chatGbt well, I don't know, chatgbt was a little bit different, but it didn't have a face with it but I think this is going to be very lucrative for Meta.
Speaker 1:Well, what do you think is the thing about it that would entice people to interact with these things?
Speaker 2:It's the personalities, it's the fact that we can already see it with Billy. We can already see it with Billy. We're going to go back to her page really quickly. Look, 100,000 followers already. A lot of people want to speak or not speak, but a lot of people already have these weird parasocial relationships with these stars. Yeah right.
Speaker 1:And this is the course they're ever going to get to talking to them.
Speaker 2:Correct, and so this is going to amplify it even more. Right, bad publicity or not, this is going to be people's way to interact with and create an even stronger parasocial relationship with this person, because most people especially if we're looking at this profile and how it's set up, most people are not going to say I was talking to Kylie Jenner's, oh sorry, kendall Jenner's. My bad, get them all mixed up, but I am not going to. I'm not speaking to Kendall Jenner's AI. I'm speaking to Kendall Jenner right.
Speaker 2:Same with Dwayne Wade, same with Mr Beast, same with Snoop Dogg, same with all of these people. I am now communicating with this person. That is a strong feeling and if they can nail it down to where they have these AIs, feel human enough, which I think anybody who has really really played with chat, gpt and being in some of these others if you're just doing like regular conversation and not actively trying to make things weird, they do a really good job of making you feel like there's another person on the other end of that For sure, and I think and bear with me, guys, please don't unfollow I think that's a very American approach.
Speaker 1:I think it's something that would work more in America than in other places. But I also think that it would be people like a Kendall Jenner or which. Obviously she's not down with it because this would already be live, but if Taylor Swift had done this right, oh yeah, that would. That would draw attention to it. I think it's that kind of a demographic as well.
Speaker 1:And I completely agree with it. Yeah, I don't know if you have anything else you want to touch on, but I think my concerns I've relayed multiple times in this. I don't like the idea. I think it's very dehumanizing. I don't understand the appeal If anything is just going to lead us to more of this type of world, where all you have are AI interactions on behalf of people and then more targeted advertising than you have ever seen in your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly I feel the exact same way. I feel like this is really just going to it's opening up the floodgates to A type of content that we never would have thought existed beforehand, and I think that is the scary part it's it's something that it's so aggressive and, at the same time, so subtle that it can become a really big problem very quickly, without us even knowing.
Speaker 1:I agree, I agree. Yeah, I think people know that. If you've watched this long enough, you know we we always try to find a positive light. I can't do that. I can't do it right now. I just can't. I hate everything about this. I'm going to pretend that we never talked about it.
Speaker 2:I mean OK, I'll say this to to end it on a positive note. I think the good thing about this is that it makes it so. This is another way to to speed up the AI, to become better, sure, better, less out of this strange uncanny valley thing that we're seeing now, but to be better, assistance, better, better thing, better help for us for different tasks. One of the best things that I can see that can come out of this is for people who are feeling lonely. But these tools, something similar to that, are amazing tools for that. Right. Yeah, for people who are struggling with social anxiety, struggling with all sorts of different types of social disorders or whatever like that, or just aren't able to see people that much. Having AI that are good enough to be able to keep up conversations and make you feel wanted and make you feel special, is very important, and I think it's something that we all have or don't understand or don't think about.
Speaker 2:I think these types of AI are great, can be great for those purposes to keep people out of those dark places that they fall into, especially if you're thinking about, like some of the older people I've heard too many stories of older people who feel incredibly depressed and feel left behind and not being able to see and talk to people as much as they would love to. And they just want to talk to somebody, right? And this gives them that outlet to be able to say, like cool here, let's talk about this, let's talk about that, let's keep this conversation going. Sure, there is a nefarious purpose in the background, but if this is something that helps them, keeps them out of that dark place, I say all power to it.
Speaker 1:I think that's a great perspective and that's a great way to wrap it up with that positivity as well. And while you were saying that, I did notice with this particular profile the idea is life coaching, but life coaching through AI. It's an interesting approach. I'm a big fan of the idea of life coaches. I've never worked with one but I like that idea as a career. Obviously mixed feelings about AI trying to take away from the people who make that career, but that would be an approach that I could see value to. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, it's interesting, okay. Well, I think we had a good discussion on this and thank you guys for jumping on the live stream with us. It's always a good time and we always appreciate it.
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